My Final Say......

Sonic X

"An Outcast In A World of Hypocricy"
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My Final Say......

Well since a larger part of the staff here hates me, here is what i have to say. Bash me, call me childish names, but what ever this is a serious post.


When this site started Aaron asked me and SkyFinch to help with what we could, he dubbed us co-owners. SkyFinch was mr.gifted and talented and most people praised his art like they do their religions. Aaron had the money to support it and i was the guy in the middle and did what ever i could at the time with my craptastic web design knoweledge. I helped come up with the name and it begun. I couldn't figure shit out and was stuck on my dinosaur piece of shit computer so it always pissed me off. So sometimes i did complain but all i wanted to do was help get this site huge, i got so tired of going to other forums where conversations revolve around: Hah thats gay, or fuck you that sucks if someone disagrees with you. Or places with staff so uptight obviously moronic jokes were taken too seriously.

Our site was supposed to be that, fun and able to screw around, just like skyfinch's old site but bigger and revolved around games. In the end i think it has caused every single person here except a select few dislike for other members on the board. Sure not everyone get's along but way back when Ice Knight started coming here everyone poked fun at him, and he knows it's true and Probably me and adam are the ones to do it most but every staffer here but videodrome and radiohead said something stupid towards him at one point or another, at which point he decided to push adams buttons and they've both done it ever since. Everytime i would have a conversation with them it was the both of them bitching at each other until one would get mad and leave. Then they'd both open up new windows telling me how much the other pissed them off or how gay they were.

Still almost everyone here at one point has had there buttons pushed and has said shit. Vicman would always get mad when Aaron would make stupid anime pictures making fun of it then Aaron would message me how funny he found it that Vicman got uptight about it when ever he did it. Catp00p did the same and went off on Vicman and argued with him and they stopped and had a truce or some such shit, who knows they'd both say how much they disliked the other to me when they would talk to me. And it was all over stupid ass redundant jokes.

I think catp00p once said: Aaron don't you own this site? Who cares what everyone else thinks?(From the porn dicussion thread)
Now if i remember correctly when i first met you Aaron you said we did co-own and that i did have some say in what went on and that my opinion would count for something other some random person posting in the suggestions and feedback forum.

SkyFinch left, said it was all the bitching i did, and some other things supposedly factored in. The thing that started it was me getting mad that Ice Knight had deleted catp00ps photoshopped pics of Ice Himself. I don't know how that triggered some events but the last thing to happen was me getting mad that adam or skyfinch wouldn't help me test something that "I" was doing for the site so i took offense because he just closed the window. He also took offense when i stated my opinion on MotoGP2 when all i was trying to say was i mad i spent money on this and wouldnt have anyone to play with.

I also remember catp00p(who i'm not blaming everything on, cause i blame everything on everyones general attitude here) making a thread about buffy, first off i don't care if you like it and if you say you don't, hey to each his own. But at most other forums when people come into threads going out of there way bashing something it's common to tell them to stop, if they're going overboard. An then even insulting a another moderator or admin is plain against the rules(That's my reasoning for banning DA he was doing it to get at me). I stritcly remember talking to you guys about it and then catp00p saying he was sorry then deleting the thread. Maybe i did make a big deal when Ice deleted that thread but no one would listen to me and just bashed me for voicing my opinion on the matter except maybe adam. But i guess everyone only listens to Aaron cause cash talks and no one really gave me credit for anything anyways.

I tryed talking to SkyFinch when he acted weird but he would intentionally avoid me at all cost's when all i wanted to do was have a serious conversation like i "tried" with so many people here. Now Aaron is doing the same thing i tried talking to him about it then he got all offensive and made this i'm done post then went off on me when Ice Knight starts bashing me when i guess i'm supposed to just flick off like it's nothing, and not say anything when he suggests i'm to blame and i should be banned. Vicman was doing the same thing i was you said it yourself Aaron, so what the easiest solution was just to blame me again since a few people hated me anyways? You suddenly change you're mind as does Vicman about the whole situation, no one here dare try to have a serious conversation about anything, you lose you're "cool factor" and you're "corny factor" goes up for not laughing off every single thing.

We all did the same thing to adam until vicman convinced us to let him back in, we generally didn't like his attitude so we pushed him to the curve until vicman convinced us to talk to him about it, which we did and realized we were ass holes and adam stopped doing most of the annoying things he did cause he then realized what really it was that he was doing. Because we talked about it. I remember you Aaron saying things along the lines of: Yea we just modded him cause he posts alot and then me agreeing with you until i realized that Adam didn't understand any of it well, and i think no one here understands my sarcasm, cause it's hard as hell to detect it over the internet.

I made a little joke then vicman made one and it kept going until we both started saying messed up shit. And i did get mad, and both of us messaged Aaron about it, which then "appeared" to be the problem until everyone decided to blame me again. I don't see how i started something if two people are both doing the same thing. Same with the halo thing i make a smilie face then vicman is calling me a faggot for not liking it and i guess im to blame for that also. No one else here has to be bashed by the entire forum populace for not liking something or constantly 24/7 poked at for his fandom cause people are always out to see what joke will flip the switch today.

I don't ever remember a single time going out of my way to make someone else mad unless they did it to me first, if it caused other problems maybe you should look at the things you did wrong or that caused problems too, but no here is man enough to admit that they did anything wrong, it's easier to follow the crowd or pressure yourself into something instead of stating your own unique opinion. Maybe half the problems here would have been resolved and most of the original people would still be here if people would have been willing to confront their so-called "friends" who would have more then willingly liked to talk about something, but then again i remember trying to and when i thought something was offensive vicman just made jokes cause he thinks everything is funny, and Aaron stays Neutral and seems to ignore anything else someone might *gasp* feel...

No one will read this or even try to talk about it so in the end i guess it doesn't really matter....

Anyone who cares(like anyone does) can e-mail me at [email protected] (for msn) or e-mail at [email protected]


So whatever..
 
I read the whole thing, Sonic.

Listen I don't think you are what's wrong with the site or anything and I don't think anyone should leave. I think we all know how immature the whole thing is, and how stupid it is. That's why it makes no sense to fight over it, and why I think the staff should stay as it always was. I think NGG can still have that fun and relaxness that it always had, but still with constructive posts and stuff.

Now I don't have a problem with Sonic. True I think some of his remarks and stuff can be over the top and surprising, but still he doesn't cause shit IMO. If the staff is having a problem with him I think that they should just look into the matter a bit more and see what else is up. But I think no one has to go or whatever.
 
I read ALL of it...took only 54 minutes...
No, really, I'm sorry it all came down to this, I hope you have fun wherever you go and you have me on your MSN if you ever want to talk.
Cya later Sonic. :sonic x: :sonic x: :sonic x: :sonic x: :sonic x:
 
I read it all.




It's definitly true everyone here pushed someones buttons at one point or another, some much more than others, I did it to Adam mostly and he did, and still does it much more than I ever have, Sonic and I traded insults plenty too though. But the thing is I finally got tired of hearing adam or sonic come in and say i'm ghey or dish out some other stupid insults even if I was talking about something and being totally serious and not fucking around, whether it's on MSN or on forums. So I finally quit with the senseless joking around, the last time I even slightly started playing around was early on in the Sonic/Halo sucks conflict, and even then I kept it very mild. But still even to this day i'm getting flack from Sonic atleast, havn't spoke to Adam much lately so who knows with him, everyone else here, even Vic i've been able to talk seriously with.

That's all I know is i'm getting bitched at, even though I havn't done a damn thing for some time to ask for it, I can't even fucking post a damn thread without Sonic coming and being a ass-hole to me even though I quit doing the same to him. I'm sure you'll say I still bitch/joke/insult you all the time Sonic and that's why your doing it to me, but that is hardly true, ask anyone here, they have seen everything too, I mean, go look at my threads here and almost always you'll have posted something insulting, hell you fucked one of my threads up so much you even closed it yourself, sure Vicman was right back at you in there and kept it going but that's beside the point.

So if I had any control over this shit i'd say those that are being dumbass's need to stop it, I hate say it and point fingers, but that's mainly you Sonic, Vic's been at it pretty good lately but that's a direct result of your shit. And Adam can quit his shit with people too. *points to self* If this would happen these forums would be just fine. I don't need to hear any crap from anyone, You Sonic, or Adam or Vic, it's the truth, ask anyone, if a thread ever get's off topic and goes to hell it's usually related to you guys. Adam, I can definitly say you are the minority of this problem, I havn't seen you post anything related to this matter for some time, so don't act like i'm against you or anything, your hardly the problem here, but you have influenced the situation in the past. Hell I have been part of the problem with this crap, but that's mostly because I wind up catching the flak from others, so don't anyone act like i'm saying i'm not to blame at all, but it's for a stupid reason that I have to fucking be a part of the problem (if I really am) cuz I didn't do a damn thing for it to happen, I havn't handed out any verbal abuse for sometime and yet I still get it back at me, lame buncha shit I tell you.......
 
For every action, there is a reaction. You bitched to me about those GOD DAMN smilies, and I reacted. Unlike you, my reactions were dictated to what I was doing at the time. Even though I worked my ass off for NGG, I still did my best to help out others with art, update my site regularly, and even try my hands at 3D. It's called "trying to get my life in order." You want to know why I never replied to any of you lame messages? Well, I have no time for your bullshit, or anyone elses. A day has 24 hours. I like to spend my time doing things that might make a difference in my life.....and not get caught up in some lame ass internet crap.


Sonic, you talk about people praising my art? Dude, you're the one posting "skyfinch is photoshop god!" and stuff like that in your sig. I have never asked anyone to do such a thing....I don't even ask them to link my site in their sig. That's all you. Hell, I have never praised my own work, come to think about it. Skyfinch.com was orginally made by someone who appreicated the help I did for them, and that's how it started.

People don't have beef with me because A) I am a nice person. B) I respect people's opinions.

I mean, ever since I started using the net, I've been helping people. And no one can deny that fact. You've never helped me with ANYTHING. I remember when I wanted to post some of my reviews on the main page. I had to ask Ice Knight to help me because you were being a bitch about us not using IRC. Then when I did post my review, you bitched at me again for not using the proper tabs. WTF? Lots of people here are saying they don't have beef if you, honestly, I don't give a rat's ass......if they knew half the stuff that went on behind the scenes, they might think differently. But again, that's just my opinion.

Of all the stuff that went on at NGG, and of all the members here, I only had one problem, and that's with you. And given time, I might have replied to your messages, but your constant badgering, forced me to ignore you.

I don't know where you get off saying you got half the members to come to NGG. Most of them were from TXB....a site that you diss more often than not. But still, you just love it when members from there sign up to NGG. If I recall, a lot of people were carried over from my old site, but I don't deserve any credit for that. People join for their own reasons, and not because they are foced to.

And about NGG the name. As I recall, I never had any say in the name. You and Aaron already had that figured out before I was even asked to come on board. If we all brainstormed and came up with a name, the site probably wouldn't have been called NGG, and thous, no one should deserve the credit, as a name would have been created anyways.

Finally, that shit with MotoGP....dude, look at most of your posts. When you start having beef with people, you bring up lots of shit to try to provoke them. I don't care if your opinions about MotoGp were true or not. I know for a fact that part of it was to get under my skin.


Most of you are wondering why I even posted this. Well, my name has been brought up many times, in threads like this. If people would just STFU, and leave me out of it, I would have never looked back...but it's always someone talking crap about me or my opinions that force me to come back here and defend myself.

No...don't blame Sonic. Let him be free....and watch NGG go to complete hell in the process.

(unlike before, I'll counter any replies this time around. Personally, I know I'm right. If I wasn't I wouldn't have even posted.)
 
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Well Sonic is banned now so you won't be seeing him again and here is one of the many reasons:


Aaron says:
Did you change the admin password for the forums?
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
Oh look someone "is" talking to me
Aaron says:
Shut up, did you change it?
Aaron says:
I'm not going to fight with you I just want to know.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
Yea you're all friendly about stuff when you wanna know something right
Aaron says:
There my forums.
Aaron says:
I'm not being freindly.
Aaron says:
You have no right to change the passwords.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
No one is saying i am
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
or that it is right
Aaron says:
Well if you want to do that then you are responsible for the loss of the forums and site.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
i didn't do it until half the forum started bashing me
Aaron says:
Thats no excuse.
Aaron says:
You shouldnt have done it at all.
Aaron says:
Where you banned?
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
Someone deleted my posts
Aaron says:
NO
Aaron says:
I did nothing to you but say that I was done dealing with you.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
you said you were going to
Aaron says:
Where?
Aaron says:
Show me the post.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
what you just said can be taken different ways
Aaron says:
And if I was it dosent matter, that would be my choise to do so.
Aaron says:
Thats still dosent warrent changing the password for the admin account.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
Never said it did
Aaron says:
Then why?
Aaron says:
You think I was pissed off before.
Aaron says:
I don't think you understand what you did at all.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
Because someone deleted all my posts stating my opinion, and i know what i did, i don't get why you think people are supposed to throw off anyone on there says at all
Aaron says:
The sad thing is I knew you where going to do something like this.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
Maybe i wouldnt have done anything if people would stop being a holes and talk
Aaron says:
No one can talk to you.
Aaron says:
If they could this would have never happend.
Aaron says:
It's stupid stunts like this that puts you in the position you are in now.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
no one did, you stayed neutral to everything then flipped off on me
Aaron says:
heh.
Aaron says:
Tell me my first post was flipping out on you.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
it wasnt
Aaron says:
My reply to your bullshit post was flipping out on you.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
the 2nd one was
Aaron says:
exactly.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
yeah so what's you're point then
Aaron says:
heh this is what I mean.
Aaron says:
Change the password back.
Aaron says:
and we can continue on ignoring eachother.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
what would be the point of that
Aaron says:
I wouldnt have to deal with your shit would be the point in ignoring you. Or do you mean what would be the point in changing the password back?
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
What would be the point, you're going to ban me anyway why should i care?
Aaron says:
heh
Aaron says:
Maybe you can man up and not be such a bitch about it.
Aaron says:
This is your entire problem.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
how is that my entire problem you never message me and say: Hey Sonic, i think your being an ass and this is why
Aaron says:
Do you honestly think that would have effected your actions? Becuase I don't.
Aaron says:
Also I have made pleny of replies to your posts stating the fact that you where being an ass.
Aaron says:
And that only cuased you to be more of any ass by posting more shit in non-releated threads.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
That's different
Aaron says:
Not really.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
no you blamed me for every single thing, i can guarantee if someone said that to you, you would ban the person or if someone was arguing with you you'd do the same but it's not
Aaron says:
heh
Aaron says:
The only fucken thing I ever did to you was give you too much credit.
Aaron says:
I always gave into your decisions
Aaron says:
Everything you asked you would bitch until you got it.
Aaron says:
And I never said a word about it after words.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
like what my one forum? thats all i had on there
Aaron says:
heh
Aaron says:
The shoutbox, the smilies, the forum stats, the bannings, things on the main page...
Aaron says:
ect...
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
those were stupid things, how does that effect not saying something maybe if you werent so quiet maybe people would understand what the hell you're talking about or if you don't like something
Aaron says:
It's not me being quite it's me being fair.
Aaron says:
You thought they where good ideas so I agreed.
Aaron says:
I'm such a dick.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
yea right i had to convince you why to do anything
Aaron says:
No you had to bitch until I just got fed up with it and said fine.
Aaron says:
You have done that with everything
Aaron says:
You always do
Aaron says:
If you don't get your way you cry like a baby about it until you do.
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
i don't see how trying to covince someone to do something is bitching, there were a shit load of things i suggested and you'd say something stupid instead of being serious about it.
Aaron says:
Think what you will it dosen't matter now, I'm at work and need to get back to doing my job. If you want to be a man and reset the password please do I'm not going to beg or fight with you about it.
Aaron says:
If you don't then thats your decision and proves your an ass.
Aaron says:
ttyl
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
well you're being vague again, thanks
Aaron says:
np
Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
and think it's funny too
Aaron says:
If you want to believe that then go ahead.
Aaron says:
Like I said TTYL.
 
Another example of how fucked up sonic is....

Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
tell aaron ill slit his wife and babys throat and fuck there corpses

Catp00p says:
thats kinda sick... maybe you should seek some mental help

Catp00p says:
to even say something like that just shows that you are fucked in the head

Catp00p says:
grow the fuck up

Sonic X, Betrayed, Back Stabbed, But Still Alive... says:
Maybe other people should look at their actions before speaking...

Catp00p says:
ya know... if you had said something valid i would have talked to you, but to say something like you just said, just shut the fuck up

Catp00p says:
you are lucky you don't live around me cause i would fucking kill you
 
Alright alright I think I need to step in.... :scrump:


but yeah anyways I don't know shit on most of this behind the scenes stuff besides the arguing with each other and all. Damn I argue with sonic daily about stupid shit and all it leads to is us laughing about it later because I don't take most shit he says seriously unless he lays it out as that. Kinda used to it. Back in the day it seemed everyone was cool with him. I'd be in msn convos with everyone and everything. These scenes though must not be pretty if all I know about is the arguing. I do know though that Sonic did want this place to be big. From talking to him I see he stands at the same points I do. Other forums are uptight, mods can't take jokes, senses of humor are lost. In a sense they "sold out". Not sure on most here but Sonic seemed to be the most in sync with me on never wanting this place to be like that. Meh nothing I say can change anything since it's just words on an internet forum and I was never "behind the scenes"
 
all right i read this whole thread. i never had a problem with sonic or anyone else on this site for that matter (except vicman and his sports teams lol :p). well i guess i was going to come in here saying that the situation could still be resolved... but unfortunately i think it's gone too far this time. good luck to you in future endeavors sonic, but i cant say i really appreciate your terms of leaving here. im not holding it against you really because these problems lately havent really concerned me so it's hard to get very angry when i dont know half of what's going on, but i think there could have been better ways of handling the situation... i guess there's not much anyone can do at this point, so later. and reset the password man.
 
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I have been busy with school ( college) and havent posted here much since I really dont have an opinion 1) cause I dont want to get in the middle of it and 2) I just have been too busy to really notice ;)
 
adam if sonic's posts hadnt been deleted you would have quickly noticed. for two days there was nothing but flames between sonic and vicman on this board. i mean really, it was all insults. i saw maybe 3 or 4 real posts those 2 days and about 90 flames.
 
I THINK i actually seen alittle bit of them ....

Sonic Hacker X: say for me that: I didn't get a chance to reset the password, i changed everyones account so everyone could hear my side of the story. All i did was try to be peoples friends here, and everyone thinks everything is a fucking joke
 
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God wtf is Sonic's problem, he could do something wrong, you could explain the situation to him and what he's doing wrong and he'd just keep doing it, no matter how many times you told him!

Him and his stupid pathetic insults got old along time ago, along with his bitching when someone won't agree with him, I mean, if you said you didn't care for Buffy he'd say something stupid and then you'd never hear the end of it. He's such a fucking idiot, and this thread proves it even more.

What really pisses me is how he has affected my personal experience being a avid forumer, till he quit posting at TXB I always had to worry about him coming in and being a ass if I said something, and here, christ, i'm afraid to breath or I may be called a "hick gun-toting gheybo" or something fucking lame, I can't even talk about music in the entertainment forum without him insulting me half the time. If he's really banned he deserved it. Maybe he'll cool down after a while and he can be allowed back sometime...
 
Ice Knight said:
God wtf is Sonic's problem, he could do something wrong, you could explain the situation to him and what he's doing wrong and he'd just keep doing it, no matter how many times you told him!

Him and his stupid pathetic insults got old along time ago, along with his bitching when someone won't agree with him, I mean, if you said you didn't care for Buffy he'd say something stupid and then you'd never hear the end of it. He's such a fucking idiot, and this thread proves it even more.

What really pisses me is how he has affected my personal experience being a avid forumer, till he quit posting at TXB I always had to worry about him coming in and being a ass if I said something, and here, christ, i'm afraid to breath or I may be called a "hick gun-toting gheybo" or something fucking lame, I can't even talk about music in the entertainment forum without him insulting me half the time. If he's really banned he deserved it. Maybe he'll cool down after a while and he can be allowed back sometime...

Sonic Says:
Yea dude the whole time I was joking and being sarcastic people wonder why i act like an ass hole when every i am serious sturn and honest people talk trash about me anyways.
 
The biggest beef most of us have with Sonic is he never admits when he's wrong and acts like a spoiled brat all throughout the process until you give up and say "forget I ever even tried". Sonic WILL NOT take personal responsibility when he fucks up, no matter what. And we are fucking tired of putting up with it and standing by his side. Alot of you forumers don't see what goes on so you think we are just ganging up on him but believe us this has been coming for a LONG ass time!

Even I who used to defend him time and time again against the other staff and was his friend got tired of expecting him to grow up and recognize when he's messed up and owning up to it. Sonic never did grow up and I couldn't be his friend anymore because of that. I can't respect a person who chooses to never acknowledge when they've fucked up. He's never a man about it and thus Sonic's still a child in this respect. A child we're all more than tired of dealing with.
 
Vicman said:
The biggest beef most of us have with Sonic is he never admits when he's wrong and acts like a spoiled brat all throughout the process until you give up and say "forget I ever even tried". Sonic WILL NOT take personal responsibility when he fucks up, no matter what. And we are fucking tired of putting up with it and standing by his side. Alot of you forumers don't see what goes on so you think we are just ganging up on him but believe us this has been coming for a LONG ass time!

Even I who used to defend him time and time again against the other staff and was his friend got tired of expecting him to grow up and recognize when he's messed up and owning up to it. Sonic never did grow up and I couldn't be his friend anymore because of that. I can't respect a person who chooses to never acknowledge when they've fucked up. He's never a man about it and thus Sonic's still a child in this respect. A child we're all more than tired of dealing with.

Sonic Hacker X: Did i not just admit to fucking up by starting shit?
 
How the "·%&$·" are you talking with him?!?!?! >_< Is he possesing your soul?!?!?!

no really, what is going on?
 
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